Courtney Lockhart: charged in the connection to the death of freshman Lauren BurkPolice announced the arrest of 23-year-old Courtney Larrell Lockhart of Smiths, Ala., in connection to the murder of Auburn freshman Lauren Burk, of Marietta, Ga.
Auburn Assistant Police Chief Tom Dawson said Lockhart has been charged with capital murder during a kidnapping, capital murder during a robbery and capital murder during an attempted rape.
According to Phenix City Police Chief Brian McGarr, Phenix City Police attempted to stop Lockhart’s vehicle, which was suspected in several armed robberies in the area, around 11 a.m. Friday. After a brief pursuit, Lockhart’s vehicle became disabled, and Lockhart attempted to flee the scene. Police captured Lockhart and arrested him late Friday in connection to the Burk murder after communicating with the task force.
“We have a large amount of evidence in this case,” Dawson said. “We left no stone unturned.”
Dawson said a photo obtained Wednesday, March 5, aided police in connecting Lockhart to the case. While the police will not say how they obtained the photo, Dawson said assistants from NASA cooperated in the investigation by enhancing the resolution of the photo.
Lee County District Attorney Nick Abbett said a hearing for the defendant would most likely be conducted on Monday, and a grand jury appearance is scheduled for May 5.
“The trial could probably take up to a year from now,” Abbett said. “Capital murder cases move slow.”
Tom Dawson: Auburn Assistant Police ChiefWhile many details are being withheld until the trial begins, Dawson said the task force is certain it has the right man in custody.
“This is a capital murder case,” Dawson said. “It involves the death penalty. We have the right person, and I’m 100 percent certain of that. Our job will not be completed until there is a verdict.”
Police believe Burk did not know Lockhart, but would not comment if they thought Burk was targeted. Police also confirmed Lockhart acted alone in this crime, and no further arrests will be made.
Dawson called Lauren Burk’s father, James, late Friday and told him of the arrest.
“It felt wonderful to tell him, but the highlight of my day was to put (Lockhart) behind bars,” Dawson said. “Mr. Burk is very happy and very pleased of the work this task force has done.”
Several members of the task force commented on the speedy arrest.
“Any loss of life is a tragedy,” said Col. J. Christopher Murphy of the Alabama Department of Public Safety. “When it’s a young student, it hits everybody. People of this task force worked hard together to bring this a close.”
Officials of Auburn University are also pleased Burk’s case has been brought to a close.
City Hall: Dawson announces arrest of suspect Lockhart“We are immensely relieved,” said Deedie Dowdle, executive director of Communications and Marketing for the University. “We’re so happy our students can breathe somewhat a sigh of relief because (Lockhart) is where he needs to be.”
Auburn Chief of Police Frank DeGraffenried said police presence will continue to be elevated on the Auburn campus.
“We’re going to keep extra police on campus for some time to help calm some fears and anxieties,” DeGraffenried said.
No further conferences are scheduled at this time. The Auburn City of Police extend appreciation to Gov. Bob Riley’s office for posting a $10,000 reward and to the private businesses and citizens of Auburn for their tips and information.
March 8, 2008 - 4:00pm
I Know its not politcally
I Know its not politcally correct,and I KNOW THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT IN THIS COUNTRY PROTECTS African Americans,but we can't hide from it any longer,check the goverment statistics on Black on White crime, it's truly mind boggling!The media needs to stop hiding and just tell the Truth of whats going on in this country.Just look up crime victims by race, and YOU be the Judge!March 8, 2008 - 8:24pm
Bring Back racial profiling
This is just awful; both in this case as well as in the Carolina Case, the murderers are African Americans preying on White Victims. If this were the opposite case where whites had done this to African Americam women then the media and Revereands Al and Jesse would never be quiet. I hope that Obama speaks about Black violence or else I am switching my vote to McCain. African Americans needs to speak up now or else they can kiss goodbye their entry into mainstream America. Come on Black America lets hear what you have to say......is this the victims fault or are you taking responsibility? Too bad that when Bill Cosby tried to speak of how Black America needs to take responsibility for their own, that he was ostracized by that community.March 8, 2008 - 8:27pm
In the wake of this tragic
In the wake of this tragic event it is important to be honest yet at the same time truthful. In reply to any racist arguements which some may attempt to construct based of this tragic event and misinformation, I provide the following information. If you check the Government statistics you will find that most murders are intraracial
From 1976 to 2005
86% of white victims were killed by whites
94% of black victims were killed by blacks
If we are going to address the issue of crime in America and especially crimes committed by African-Americans lets get the facts straight. Murderers come from all socio-economic backgrounds, races, regions and so on. If you are white and someone murders you their is an 86% chance the person who murdered you was white. If you are black there is a 94% the person who murdered you was black. There is some disparity but not the extent to which some would like to suggest. We owe it to the people who have been affected by such heinous acts to accurately and effectively seek justice. Justice should be not be naive but at the same time not discriminatory. To do the opposite would be an injustice to all. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
March 9, 2008 - 12:18am
blacks dysfunction in modern society
Blacks that cannot act civilized has nothing to do with SCRIMMINATION or THE WITE DEVIL keeping the black man down.Blacks have a higher level of circulating testosterone and more sensitive testosterone receptors.This physiological fact leads to poor impulse control,violent behavior,excessive sexual acting out,lower average intelligence(than just about every other race) and overall a very poor fit in a modern society.Affirmative action and reparations will do nothing to tame the beast.
March 9, 2008 - 1:12am
As evidenced by the previous
As evidenced by the previous commenter. Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man's genetic lineage -- the notion that a man's intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors. Racism claims that the content of a man's mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man's convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical forces beyond his control. This is the caveman's version of the doctrine of innate ideas -- or of inherited knowledge -- which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism. Good try buddy.March 9, 2008 - 1:16am
What exactly is
What exactly is SCRIMMINATION any way? I have heard of discrimination, prejudice, bias, racism but never scrimination perhaps I am simply too intellectually inferior to understand such a term?March 9, 2008 - 4:38am
To the person who posted
To the person who posted above, claiming to be promoting honesty and condemning misinformation, you should have given a more complete summary of the page you referenced, http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm. It also says that blacks' murder rate is seven times that of whites, and the last graph shows that of the murders that are interracial, the vast majority are black-on-white, as opposed to white-on-black.
March 9, 2008 - 8:26am
Tragic
He should be hung from the highest tree in Auburn and left there to rot.
March 9, 2008 - 8:49am
To the person who posted
To the person who posted above on "man's intellectual and characterological traits", consider what Nobel Prize winning geneticist James Watson said: "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."
Of course, he was fired for saying it. That was a lot easier than refuting what he said.
March 9, 2008 - 9:05am
To clarify, yes the murder
To clarify, yes the murder rate for blacks is seven times that of whites but do not be deceived, those murders overwhelmingly affect African-Americans not Caucasian-Americans. So I’m not exactly sure what the commenter means that I am not giving a complete summary. While the figures do show that most interracial murders are committed by blacks, around sixty percent, those murders account for very few of the overall numbers. For a clear of a picture we must note that the amount of interracial murders that occur, is considerably low. For example if there are 5 interracial murders in a year and blacks commit 3 while whites commit 2 that gives us about the same numbers we have in the figure. Here it is plain and simple if your white you have a 14% chance that if you are murdered the person who murdered you is black. In contrast if you are black there is a 6% chance the person who murdered you is white. That’s an 8% disparity. But the ratio that these numbers yields is unclear because the numbers do not factor in the murders of whites and blacks by Latino Americans and so on. We could for the sake of argument exclude those numbers and we could surmise that of interracial murders, blacks commit around 2/3 of them and whites the other 1/3, that’s certainly unequal but at the same time not astounding (or as some may suggest that blacks have an interracial murder rate seven times higher than whites), so if you read the chart make sure you understand how to read it and know that the chart is based off the numbers I provided above and it scaled to focus on specific numbers . They give slightly inflated numbers on interracial murders because Latino’s- another large minority group- is not included in the figures. So the murder rate being seven times higher for blacks, by and large does not affect whites. You can twist the numbers to confirm your bias but still does not make it true. If we’re serious about addressing the issue then there needs to be some dialogue and some real action and we must be concerned of about the murders of all people regardless of color.
March 9, 2008 - 12:41pm
The core of racism is the
The core of racism is the notion that the individual is meaningless and that membership in the collective “the race” is the source of his identity and value, thus you see appeals by white supremacists to intellectual achievements of people who have the same color skin as them yet differ in every other demographic category, the only correlation is skin color all other physical traits including brain size and average intelligence can vary widely within a so called race. But since there are so many people on this page that believe or would like to believe that white people are innately smarter, more moral, and so on and so forth, and will find any reason to defend that, then I leave you to it. If you need to believe that blacks are innately evil then go ahead(there’s nothing new under the sun) however I’m not sure what you think should be done in light of that or why you would complain about their actions if they are so depraved that they are beyond redemption. I hope if you embrace racist ideologies that you do not in any way claim to be a Christian(side note for southerners), however if you’re a secular humanist than have at it. Anyway God bless you all.
March 9, 2008 - 2:58pm
I hope he rots...the piece
I hope he rots...the piece of crap.
March 9, 2008 - 3:29pm
My question to you all is
My question to you all is what are African Americans supposed to do? You all are saying that they should take responsibilty for their own, when not every African American person is a criminal. There are plenty of comments that could and are made about every race when it comes to crimes. For instance, with Caucasians they are considered to be mentally unstable with these school shootings and bombings. So my question to you all is what are you doing for your own? And to the individual who made the comment about the hanging.... I wonder why you are being addressed as anonymous instead of putting your information out there. I would love to see you address an African American with some nonsense like that. I think you should watch your mouth and think twice before you speak. ~God Bless
March 9, 2008 - 4:00pm
Thanks to the police departments involved
Thanks and congratulations to the Auburn, Opelika, and Phenix City police departments for their efficient and professional handling of this case.March 9, 2008 - 4:19pm
FBI statistics
The poster "Truth" makes a great deal out of the fact that a white is more likely to be killed by a white and a black is more likely to be killed by a black. This is similar to dismissing peoples concerns over rapes by stating that most victims are raped by someone she knew rather than a stranger. The concern of many is that a small percentage of the population (approximately 6.5% ) commit over 50% of the murders in this country (per FBI stats 52.2% of murders commited by blacks, vast majority of murders are committed by men). Secondary issue is the apparent lack of concern/outcry by the black community except when there is a white on black crime. Comments?
March 9, 2008 - 4:46pm
Auburn Arrest
Based on the information printed in the article, it sounds like the police took quite a leap charging this man with rape and murder when he was being sought for armed robbery. Most criminals stick to their pattern and it usually takes an external/emotional event to accelerate the violence. I'm a white female living in the south and as this article was written it sounds like a clear case of racial profiling. I was actually expecting this shooting to be connected to the shooting of the girl at Duke. Looks like the Good 'Ol Boys Network had their own plan in mind. What a disgrace.
March 9, 2008 - 5:44pm
Kate....
do you really believe that the Good 'Ol Boys Network arrested someone just to arrest him? I believe that they have had from the beginning, lots of physical evidence. With so many law enforcement officials and agencies involved, they had at their disposal, very high tech equipment, intelligent, hard working men and women and for all we know, witnesses. I wouldn't say that the man accused of the crime is a mastermind.
March 9, 2008 - 6:49pm
AMEN, you are 100% totally
AMEN, you are 100% totally correct! I have been saying this for years and it not a racist comment, but the facts back it up.
March 9, 2008 - 9:23pm
To the FBI statistics guy,
To the FBI statistics guy, buddy i don't no where you got your statistics from but blacks are approximately 12.5 % of the population check gov census, though most people know this. Sorry not trying to be picky but bad research detracts from the legitamcy of your overall arguement. It also makes it seem like you only want to make a point regardless of whether or not its true.March 9, 2008 - 10:52pm
Inciting violent, racist
Inciting violent, racist thought and action is NOT the way that Lauren Burk's memory should be honored.March 10, 2008 - 12:19am
A point about evidence; another about racism
Kate: I understand how you came to your conclusion, but believe me, it wouldn't do the police any good to arrest a man if they didn't have enough evidence to build a case against him. Could you imagine the outrage if this case went to trial and authorities said, "Oops, sorry; we don't have any proof that he did it"? They've got evidence. Now, it's up to a judge and jury to decide if there's enough of it to convict him. You're right about the story not being very clear -- I have a feeling it's because the police weren't open about the details, and the reporter didn't realize that she needed to point that out.
While I'm here, I might as well say this (to others; not Kate): I'm appalled at the racism in these comments. Your "facts" are ridiculous. Yes, you have numbers to back up your argument, and numbers are extraordinarily good evidence. However, why are we even discussing race here? What does it matter? Creeps come from all races, genders and backgrounds. We should all be watching our backs.
March 10, 2008 - 1:46am
Response to War Eagle
War Eagle - If you read my post again you will see that I stated men commit the vast majority of the murders --- that's why I stated 6.5%, not 13%. Sorry for not being more explicit.March 10, 2008 - 8:53am
UNIVERSITY PUBLIC SAFETY
I think they need to bring back the University Police Department to the campus!
March 10, 2008 - 8:56am
Campus Police?
Why don't they bring back the Campus Police to the Campus besides it being ran by the City ?March 10, 2008 - 12:04pm
Lauren Burk
One thing about Lauren if you read her facebook is she didn't like people who judged others based on race or appearence. Today is a day to celebrate Lauren's life. If you ask most friends of Lauren they would all say they just wish they had more time with her or got to talk to her one last time. Don't waste your time hating, call your friends, spend time with them, spend time with your family, you don't always have tomorrow. RIP Lauren.March 11, 2008 - 1:27pm
Laruen Burk Murder
How long is it going to take Fat Al Sharpton and Messy Jesse Jackson to get involved in this one? With all the publicity this is generating they must be drooling.March 11, 2008 - 7:02pm
Quit with the bull-shit
people die everyday no matter black or white, yes it is a sad case but lets not talk about all the black people that were murdered by white people back in the day, if you really want to know, white people have been low-down to every race that they have came in contact with, now something bad has happened to one white girl, and you all want to act all foolish, No race should be accountable for what one damn person does. You come in the world by yourself and I can bet you, you leave by yourself, so don't be talking about a race taking responsibility for ones action, cause in the end we all will be judged by God almighty, and that's it, only him, one by one, not a race as a whole. RIP Lauren BurkMarch 11, 2008 - 10:23pm
I'm not sure why race was
I'm not sure why race was brought up in this discussion. It seems to be completely pointless. Yes, this man was black, but he did commit a crime because he was black. It easily could have been any race. I think we should celebrate that he was caught! Justice will be served which is what Lauren deserves.March 11, 2008 - 11:20pm
"Truth" said: "To clarify,
"Truth" said: "To clarify, yes the murder rate for blacks is seven times that of whites but do not be deceived, those murders overwhelmingly affect African-Americans not Caucasian-Americans. So I’m not exactly sure what the commenter means that I am not giving a complete summary."
The reason I objected to your omitting those figures in your original post is that the numbers are important and omitting them serves to obscure the issues. Plus, omitting such information is typical in today's culture, and I'm fed up with it. Just last week, a few days before the Eve Carson and Lauren Burk murders, there were stories in the news about a think tank report on America's prison population (see http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/uploadedFiles/One%20in%20100.pdf). One of the factiods in the report is that 1 in 106 white men over age 18 is in prison, while 1 in 15 black men over age 18 is in prison. But nowhere in the report is there any data on the crime rates of white and black men over age 18, which obscures (probably intentionally) any connection between what these men did and the consequences. This think tank's report goes on to condemn America's incarceration policies as unfair and out of step with other countries which have much lower inceration rates, even China, of all places. But the report of course neglects to mention that we have a large segment of our population which has a murder rate that is seven times the rest of the population.
As to your assertion that murders committed by black men affect mainly African-Americans not Caucasian-Americans, I ask you to consider two collateral consequences of such a high murder rate: the tax bill we all pay to prosecute and punish these murderers, and our surrender of large sections of our once-great cities to these high-crime populations.
"Truth" goes on to say: "Here it is plain and simple if your white you have a 14% chance that if you are murdered the person who murdered you is black. In contrast if you are black there is a 6% chance the person who murdered you is white."
No, if you're white you have a 14% chance that if you are murdered the person who murdered you is non-white, and if you are black there is a 6% chance the person who murdered you is non-black. Black does not equal non-white, and white does not equal non-black. Therefore, your computations for interracial murders are baseless and invalid. You have to go with the actual data, and the page you posted does not give numbers for that. It does give graphs, which appear to show considerably more disparity than your "computations".
March 12, 2008 - 3:00pm
I think it is so amazing
I think it is so amazing that people are making this a race issue. Regardless of statistics, at the end of the day we are all American. Anonymous said: that the tax payers are paying to prosecute and punish murders, etc. My question to you is everyday we spend billions of dollars a day fighting a war, where is that money coming from? You complain about the money spent to prosecute but what about the money wasted in Iraq. We are going deeper in debt daily trying to fix another countries issues and we have problems in the U.S. Have you ever thought about how many African American soldiers Bush(a white male) is killing a day. Has it ever crossed your mind that Americans(black and white) are starving, homeless, ect. everyday and our country does nothing about it. Did it cross your mind that when Katrina hit New Orleans our government could not find a way to help these Americans for at least 24 hrs. Our government can help other countries fix their problems but they let people die because no on was their to rescue them. This is kind of information is not factored into the statistics. I believe that what we need to do is stop pointing fingers at different races because each race is composed of crazy people.
In Reply to the Jesse/ Al comment:
I believe that if this happened to an African American you would not see it on the news. How often do you hear about African Americans who were murder-Not often. I am sure "Statistics" show that African Americans are murder also.The media lets America know what they want them to know.
In Reply to the Hang and Rot comment:
You are the reason why racism still exist. When VT was bombed no one said lets hang him…Why? Do you only hang African Americans? I think you should go and hang yourself due to your stupidity.
God Bless
March 12, 2008 - 4:38pm
to the person who insist on refuting the evidence
First if there is something I omitted, I’m sorry, there are parts of the statistics you reported that you left out not giving the whole story, it’s the nature of commenting on a message board and doing research especially sociology. There is no such thing as a unbiased opinion, if you didn’t care you wouldn’t be writing on this topic. When you present facts it’s all ways selective because you either leave out the history behind the statistics or a complete overview of the current state of things, it’s the nature of journalism(which is why fox news lies every time they say there unbiased) I can’t write a dissertation. It’s impossible to give a through treatment of such issues on a message board and in a way that there are no holes in your argument. That goes for me and you and anyone else and especially the guy who mentioned geneticist James Watson there are significant shortcomings in his research and findings, but I’m sure the guy who posted has probably never even read James Watson and if he has he hasn’t read his critics. Anyway, to address your statement about “the tax bill we all pay to prosecute and punish these murderers, and our surrender of large sections of our once-great cities to these high-crime populations.”(by the way blacks wouldn’t all be crowded into cities if middle and upper class whites had not all run off to the suburbs after WWII and desegregation and then continue to exploit inner city minorities and poor whites through cheap labor, unethical business practices and corporate politics.) Well my question to you and extreme conservatives with the exceptions of Rick Santorum and a hand full of others is what do you suppose we do about these situations. It doesn’t take a genius to find a big problem but it often takes one to solve a big problem. I would also like to know what your conclusion is. Do you care about the people affected or do you just like to debate issues and make blacks look evil? Even if you’re really racist(not saying you are) you still have to deal with African-Americans and the issues that may predispose them to commit crimes. You can’t kill them all, genocide has never been accomplished ask Hitler, Stalin ( by the way both are white and killed way more white people than blacks ever will), Pol Pot, the Ottomans, and the Hutu extremist, someone will intervene. You can’t lock them all up in jail because many people have conscious’s and wouldn’t allow it, plus it would be to expensive. So none of those heavy racist, authoritarian, fascist options have or will work. So what do you suppose we do?March 12, 2008 - 4:49pm
Can somebody tell me why
Can somebody tell me why goverment spends billions of dollars on corporate welfare thugs. Big corporations screw up all the time and get saved by the government. Now if they are providing jobs thats one thing but they continue to lay thousands of workers off, cut hours, pay low wages, offer no benefits, outsource jobs and pollute the environment while my little nephews get cancer and no one gives a flip. Im tired of thugs period, whether they are black and have jordans, a white tee and rims and shoot people with guns or wear sport coats, pleated khakis, drive mercedes benz's and kill you while you eat, sleep,drink, work and while people don't even know.March 12, 2008 - 6:04pm
irrelevant
It amazes me that people bring up the war in Iraq when discussing this murder. When you cannot win the argument, change the subject. The reality is blacks kill everybody (whites, blacks Africans, Great Britian). Statistics bear this out everywhere you go. Blacks have a 10 times greater risk being killed in a black community than a white. It is time to ask the question at some point "Are these people capable of being civilized?" Africa is a bastion of rape, theft and murder and the trend hasn't halted here. Asains have suffered discrimination and were locked up in inturnment camps. They have completely outnumbered whites as a population base when it comes to being represented in Calif universities. Yet when it comes to homicides, as a statistic, they are nowhere to be found. Blacks kill, it is what they do best. No technological advances have ever come out of African culture (Pre European decendance) and never will. If somebody can prove that blacks are peacefully assemble somewhere in the world then I would love to hear it. The burden of proof has been put on the white man to prove he is not racist, well lets see the black man prove he is not violent. I don't want to live in a third world country and that is the road we are headed. Don't worry about the idiots who scream "racism". They have no argument. When you can't debate, insult your opponent. That way nobody has to take responsibilty for anything. Here is one more thing for all you PC idiots to ponder. If we are such a racist white culture, how come all the third worlders migrate here? (And they don't as much because they are turning the unitest State into a third world coutry itself) Someday, just someday, whites might be proud of their race again!! Nobody can make you feel inferior with out your permission first"
Eleanor Roosevelt
March 12, 2008 - 11:11pm
"Truth" said: "to the person
"Truth" said: "to the person who insist on refuting the evidence"
Breathtaking dishonesty! I don't refute evidence; I refute flawed arguments, such as yours, based on evidence.
"Truth" continued: I can’t write a dissertation. It’s impossible to give a through treatment of such issues on a message board and in a way that there are no holes in your argument.
Excuses, excuses.
"Truth" continued: "by the way blacks wouldn’t all be crowded into cities if middle and upper class whites had not all run off to the suburbs after WWII and desegregation"
More specifically, it was in response to forced integration that whites fled to the suburbs -- forced integration was a massive social engineering project that backfired.
"Truth" continued: "Well my question to you and extreme conservatives with the exceptions of Rick Santorum and a hand full of others is what do you suppose we do about these situations."
I have a great deal of respect for Bill Cosby's views on this. Those who are willing to take responsibility for their success in America have a future in America. As for the others, I invite liberals who disagree with Bill to propose a solution -- as long as their solution keeps the problems out of my neighborhood.
March 13, 2008 - 1:02am
"Truth" said: "That goes for
"Truth" said: "That goes for me and you and anyone else and especially the guy who mentioned geneticist James Watson there are significant shortcomings in his research and findings, but I’m sure the guy who posted has probably never even read James Watson and if he has he hasn’t read his critics."
Wrong again. I have read the Watson book where he says "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."
Are you aware of any of his critics who actually refute the above statement based on evidence, rather than hand-waving histrionics? I'm well aware of the latter, but not the former. The evidence coming in supports him -- google "ASPM" and "microcephalin" for two examples of evolutionary changes affecting brain development that occurred after the out-of-Africa migration. The significance of this evolutionary change in brain development to Watson's "intellectual capacities" is thus far unclear, but at least it shows that such a thing is quite possible, as opposed to impossible. Are any of your Watson critics saying it's impossible? If so, based on what?
March 13, 2008 - 1:10am
well actually it looks
well actually it looks like all this anonymous guy does is try to refute facts that the truth guy gave based of off government sources and all this anonymous guy did is try and find some other statistics to get off the subject of clear precentages on interracial murders. It's obvious interracial murders account for a small percentage of murders. please stop with the straw man arguements and the read herrings you can't deny that most murders are interracail 86% and 94% what part of that does not make sense. It's not hard to understand unless your a racist.March 13, 2008 - 1:56am
So whoever this is that
So whoever this is that keeps trying to prove their point or simply just refute mine. First with the “Excuses, excuses” come on man you can do better than that, what are we twelve, anyone who values good scholarship knows where I’m coming from on that issue. Next on white flight I clearly stated that it started after WWII if you know elementary history you would know that segregation was very much legal in 1945. But good try. And even after 60’s racial zoning laws were still in effect in many areas, things like desegregation don’t happen overnight and it was layered. It took years even after the Brown decisions, and CR act of 64 and 68(I’m sure you don’t know what they entailed so go look them up before you reply). There was no forced integration of housing (with very, very, very few exceptions, if you find one I’ll give you a pat on the back you found a needle in a hay stack). Desegregation supposedly applied to jobs and schools, public facilities, and later in non-discriminatory housing but this act was weak and because they did all these “with all deliberate speed”(if you know what I’m referring to) it either took a while or didn’t happen which is why we still have de facto segregation. Cause if we didn’t and it was force then the solutions would be in your “neighborhood.” But I’m glad you like Bill Cosby I like him to he’s funny. And you never answered the question as to what you think we should do, are you just going to complain or do something positive, say work at a churches outreach ministry(if you believe in that kinda thing) or work with a non-profit teaching whatever values you think are important? Just Curious cause it won’t improve if you just complain that’s for sure?March 13, 2008 - 10:58am
you still didn't address any
you still didn't address any of his critics giving the same tired line doesn't prove you read anything other than that one passage. If you really knew the subject you would know that the majority of the academic and scientific community adamantly disagrees with Watson, actually most geneticists do, which is why he resigned from his post. Actually the only people who can’t see the holes in his deplorable works are usually white supremacist who need to piggy back off other white people’s accomplishments to feel smart. Berkeley genetics professor Thomas Cline said Watson crossed the line from being provocative to being irresponsible because the senior scientist failed to separate fact from conjecture. Berkeley biology professor Caroline Kane said she was disappointed that ``a figure who looms so large in the science of the late 20th century would take such a provocative stance in the absence of the precise data that is the hallmark of good science.” Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University said “if he knew the literature in the subject he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically." There are numerous others which is why he has been ostracized, and don’t give me any stuff about liberals and how they just wanna believe were all equal. Watson’s claims are generally just suggestions based on little evidence which is why he has retracted his stance on this issue. Watson has also made similar comments about women, homosexuals, fat people and so on. Plus, 16% of James Watson’s genome is from people’s of African descent in contrast, most people of European descent have no more than 1%. Dr. Rick Kittles, a medical geneticist at the University of Chicago is one of the pioneers in ancestral gene research and has said “I laughed… This guy, who’s considered a genius and discovered the structure of DNA, can make very sad statements about genetics and IQ. And the funny thing is that a significant portion of his genome is from the people he insulted.” Kittle also states that “Race…is a social concept, not a biological one, and the genes of many ethnicities flow through individuals who identify with one or another race.”So obviously Watson is not immune from presuppositions that cause him to do bad scholarship. Consider former biotech scientist Kary Mullis she won a Nobel Prize for inventing a process to multiply DNA samples but she went on to support some ridiculous claims like the discredited notion that HIV is not the cause of AIDS(are you serious). So logically just because some won has a Noble Prize doesn’t mean their right on everything. Please stop reading white supremacist crap, and actually most data on race intelligence if you believe it swings toward Jews and southeast Asians being so called smarter.Watson has since said “to all those who have drawn the inference from my words that Africa, as a continent(such as yourself), is somehow genetically inferior, I can only apologize unreservedly. That is not what I meant. More importantly from my point of view, there is no scientific basis for such a belief.” So even the person you quote to promote your ideology has said there is no scientific basis for these beliefs just like I said in the beginning but I know you just wanna believe that it is. Please don’t come back with any Bell Curve crap, don’t quote that one passage Darwin wrote in the Descent of Man, stick to the environmental theories on the correlation between race and intelligence these have the most data to back them up.