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« MoralHighGround wrote on Friday, Feb 04 at 09:44 AM »
As I said “Because that’s the beauty of freedom of speech, there are no, or should I say at least very few poorly defined, exceptions,” it’s pretty clear I'm aware of a few vague limitations. However, it’s clear your understanding of the legal system is pretty limited if you really think writing hate mail warrants an arrest/restraining order, or a limitation of the freedoms provided by the constitution. As I have never worn leggings/a visor/croakies or honestly any other things described in the original article, I assure you my issue does have to do with pride, but regarding my right to say exactly what I think and not have it stifled by the Plainsman.
Your math doesn’t exactly add up on the “one person v. group” argument because the comments left on the article were by individuals also (who at least semi identified themselves, and as they were registered on the Plainsman website could have been easily identified and prosecuted if there was any honest “threat” presented.) Not to mention, there is no limitation in the United States constitution that says an individual may say whatever they want, but a group’s opinion should be strictly LIMITED. (Please provide that amendment, if you can find it?) With your statement, “She was addressing a community and the community addressed her led to a large amount of verbal harassment,” you, like the Plainsman are essentially arguing that Kelly Tsaltas’ right to publicly harass and belittle an entire community is above the community’s right to actively respond.
Any person writing an attack on entire community should in fact expect a harsh response. Especially one who writes a hit piece on a very active percentage of the Auburn student body, Greeks. The prestige of the title “Opinion Journalist” comes with the likelihood that people will often offend and attack you personally if you attack something they are a part of. If Kelly Tsaltas didn’t want 30 % of the student body to hate her, she shouldn’t have intentionally insulted them in such a public forum. She obviously posted her personal rant about the fashion choices of Auburn students in a place that allowed varied responses, if all she wanted was high fives and positive reinforcement, she should have posted her rant on her facebook or personal blog.
Realistically speaking, I seriously doubt that you would argue the comments were any more harsh than….well for example, this: http://www.godhatesfags.com/ And as you’ve probably noticed the United States government hasn’t limited that speech either. I honestly believe if there was a shred of legitimate concern by the Plainsman of a violation of the law, they would have pursued it…and we all would have heard about it. As that hasn’t happened, I'm lead to believe it was nothing more than an unnecessary overreaction to what they didn’t find “fair” to their opinion blogger.
« adadad wrote on Friday, Feb 04 at 09:20 AM »
Another great article by this undiscovered literary genius!
« brotastic wrote on Friday, Feb 04 at 08:01 AM »
"It is undoubtedly true that, 'The rights of free speech and free press are two of the most sacred rights Americans possess,' it is entirely wrong to believe that this 'sacred' right is limited to the people the Plainsman has pre determined are intellectual enough to exercise it."
The problem with this topic of free speech is that you must first understand that we do not currently exercise perfect freedom of speech in America today. I cannot find someone on the street and then proceed to write them one letter a day in an attempt to intimidate or insult that person. Really I am just writing words on a piece of paper, and I am even covering that piece of paper up so the victim could not even open it. But this is considered verbal harassment and I would most certainly have restraining orders taken out on me and would probably have a visit or two from the police if I didn't flat out go to jail.
If you really found it insulting that Tsalta made fun of your leggings or visor (which I think is the bigger issue here, how simple must you be to take this seriously? Someone made fun of Croakies, OUCH MY PRIDE!), then you are free to express your opinion about it. However, the anonymity of the internet combined with the fact that she was addressing a community and the community addressed her led to a large amount of verbal harassment. She is one person, not a group, so there IS a difference between her article and the comments that were made to her. Sending her threats because she said your leggings look funny could get you a visit from the police.
That is why your "right to freedom of speech" was hindered through the disabling of the comment section. The right to free speech, whether you think it is right or wrong, does not give you the freedom, much less the right, to threaten anyone, especially not because they said your hat is silly. It just doesn't, not in this country, whether you think it should or shouldn't.
Good god. I didn't come upon this article because someone said "Hey, this chick made fun of our visors! What a b*tch man can you beleive this!?" I found the article because someone said to me "Look at this, a girl wrote an article making fun of people's clothes and now shes getting death threats! Can you believe that!?"
This person and I were not gawking over how insulting or shocking the article was, in fact I can bet you I would not have even heard of it had people not reacted so poorly to it. Its just not that big of a deal. We were gawking at how hard all these children were trying to defend their leggings and visors, going so far as to make threats, and not even stopping for a second to think how downright moronic they were making themselves look in the process.
« interestedalum wrote on Friday, Feb 04 at 07:08 AM »
I thank you for the apology. The thign that makes me the saddest about all of these comments is the division it is creating. I mean I don't have a problem with any of the letters to the editor or the original article. State your opinion, go for it. But if we really are an Auburn Family we should be able to look beyond the way people dress or what their major is and know that we have a common love for a common place. And if that is the only thing we share it is a big one!
I believe in Auburn and love it!
« chicagolive365 wrote on Friday, Feb 04 at 01:04 AM »
you're only proving my point further by lashing out at me and giving everyone another life story. Your hypocritic statement assuming they have everything handed to them is beyond ignorant. So Once again you're being very IGNORANT. Ignorant in thinking that just because im in high school i dont know what the value of hard work is, or that i have not been to the parties (which i have) , or classes (which i have). And even if they do have everything handed to them that's not their fault, it does not make them any better or worse than you or anyone either way. No matter how much you deny you're very jealous or you would not be ranting about how aweful they are. Does it get old complaining about everything and everyone around you ? stop wasting so much time being an angry bitch. i dont know what happened in your life where you feel the need to come on the internet and justify yourself by telling your life story and how you and your friends work soooooooo hard, spare us. Still no matter how much i hate every ignorant staement you have made, i feel sorry for you. I can not imagine going through life with your frighteningly clouded thought process
« lauburn wrote on Friday, Feb 04 at 12:32 AM »
A funny column? She made light of anorexia, a very serious eating disorder. I don't think there is any humor in that.
« indie25 wrote on Friday, Feb 04 at 12:28 AM »
Really high school? Then you have no clue what I mean. I am referring to money I have earned and the respect I have gotten from working hard, not the money given to these brats by their folks. I know friends that work and pay their own bills while attending college, as I do, and some are in frats and sororities. As I stated before, I am NOT jealous, merely concluding that they have everything handed to them instead of working for it, but nothing like a 17 or 18 yr old upstart to tell you want you really mean...
But hey, you would know right?? Because you attend Auburn and been to the parties and the classes??
Oh and don't worry about attending here...I agree. It is not for you.
« chicagolive365 wrote on Friday, Feb 04 at 12:01 AM »
haha wow im sorry, i honestly thought you were the girl who wrote the article that started all this, my bad. everything i said was based on the article she wrote, not anything you said on this comment chain fyi, and again my bad
« whindsoull wrote on Thursday, Feb 03 at 11:35 PM »
"You felt compeled to write an article on the dress of your fellow students."
I think you may be confused. I wrote neither this article nor the one it is responding to.
« whindsoull wrote on Thursday, Feb 03 at 11:32 PM »
So far as I am able to decipher your comment, here's my reply:
I have no problem with frats--really. Some of my best friends are in fraternities, all four of my grandparents were, and my uncle is a KA.
I was offered several bids without soliciting them, but declined them because I am a busy person and don't have enough time to squeeze in a Greek life.
I say all of that to make sure that you understand my meaning clearly: I am not bashing fraternities and sororities. No, I am very specifically and personally addressing you and auburnfratstar. The two of you being utterly classless disgraces to Auburn University is totally unrelated to your Greek affiliation. The two of you were born lacking, live now as black marks upon the honor of your chapters and upon the honor of Auburn University, and will more than likely die that way.
Both Auburn University and the Panhellenistic community have long histories of proudly supporting certain sets of values. Judging from your comments here, it is obvious that neither of you possess any of those values. I can only hope that your respective fraternities will be more selective in the future, and choose to accept only members who will uphold the standards their organizations are known for.
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